Well after a fantastic five weeks we arrive back in Blighty.
All absolutely shattered so in bed within hour of being back home - up normal time Sunday so into unpacking and shopping (empty food cupboards).
Highlights of holiday (by consensus)
Harbour Bridge climb
Fraser Island
Goat mustering on farmstay (particularly Margot getting dirty)
Whitsunday sailing
Barrier reef
Mandy and Mark both enjoyed Mission Beach and catching up with friends in Sydney
Joe and George both enjoyed Movieworld and Australia Zoo
Back to normal routine now and planning next adventure - but how can we beat this!
Monday, 30 August 2010
Saturday, 28 August 2010
Last night in Port Douglas
Morgs and Hutchings are staying about 2 mins walk from each other - very strange to think that we see more of each other on holidays than in Romsey! Met by coincidence on holiday in France 8 years ago and now here we are in Port Douglas - us on final leg of trip, them on start of new adventure - Chris having job in Melbourne with PWC for 2 years.
For the last night we went to the Beach Shack - authentic sand on floor! Food and company both excellent - George definitely the showman!
Mandy had yellow fin tuna - cooked perfectly, Mark had sea food linguine - definitely the best he's ever had and boys had pizza!
Joe finally managed to get a piece of Mud Cake - looked like he enjoyed it.
Last day
What alarm - surely someone set it and we didn't sleep through it! Fortunately not a disaster as we wake relatively early on hols and have a late flight.
We leave the apartment at 10.30 and pop round to see the Morgs to drop off excess provisions. Boys decide a quick swim would be good - luckily Morgs have spare swimmers to save us transporting wet stuff.
Over night we had decided not to buy the Billy Mizzi pictures in Port Douglas and instead went for the option of looking for some others in Cairns.
No luck - so a quick wander for last minute souvenirs, a last meat pie lunch then off to airport. Great start - Cairns to Brissy flight delayed by 1 hour. George slept most of it.
Arrive Brissy Domestic terminal - loos make boys laugh. Where do the non virgins go?
Flight from Brisy is ok but full - G sleeps on floor and is only spotted when lights come - then he has to move as they don't like people sleeping under seats! Don't know why - he always has the best sleep.
Monday, 23 August 2010
Monday in Port Douglas
A leisurely start with a refreshing swim in the pool.
Having seen so much of the sugar process it seemed appropriate to see the final stage - the milling. So it was off for a tour at the Mossman Sugar Mill. We all enjoyed seeing the process and tasting the product (only raw sugar is produced for further refining) - tour was good value, informative and let you see the guts of the operation.
But it was exceptionally hot - steam is used to power the machinery - just what you need when temperatures are 30C. Back to Port Douglas for a beach stop - yesterday the beach had been closed as 50 stingers were found on the beach - today all was clear and low risk of stingers.
Great waves for body surfing and generally mucking around.
Tomorrow - white water rafting and Wednesday the outer great barrier reef.
Days are disappearing quickly now.
Having seen so much of the sugar process it seemed appropriate to see the final stage - the milling. So it was off for a tour at the Mossman Sugar Mill. We all enjoyed seeing the process and tasting the product (only raw sugar is produced for further refining) - tour was good value, informative and let you see the guts of the operation.
But it was exceptionally hot - steam is used to power the machinery - just what you need when temperatures are 30C. Back to Port Douglas for a beach stop - yesterday the beach had been closed as 50 stingers were found on the beach - today all was clear and low risk of stingers.
Great waves for body surfing and generally mucking around.
Tomorrow - white water rafting and Wednesday the outer great barrier reef.
Days are disappearing quickly now.
Daintree to Port Douglas
In many ways this is the last leg of the journey - from Port Douglas we go to Cairns and then back to Blighty.
An uneventful checkout but not without the owner moaning how dirty the Campbell's had left the apartment - some amusement to be had later that day!
A drive to the ferry - waiting for it to come over we were advised that a 5 year old boy had been taken by a croc 6 months ago trying to get his dog out of the water! The constant threat is something the people get used to.
North of Daintree River all of the homes are solar powered and use generators for electricity - very difficult living but community spirit is strong.
Driving off the ferry Mark managed to run over a green tree snake that was crossing the road - went back to check and it was not dead but did not seem to be moving freely! Not going to investigate that one!
Next stop Mosman Gorge - a lovely rain forest with some great water holes - turtles inhabit some of these but we did not see any. The level of rainfall the Atherton Tablelands get in a year is incredible - frequently you can be sat in sunshine and look to the west and see low cloud enveloping the hills.
After a brief wait (Mandy did not get on the same bus as the men) it was off to Port Douglas. Accommodation was fantastic - boys effectively have their own apartment. Both apartments are swim in swim out. Effectively have a 50m pool as it goes passed the other apartments.
In the evening we joined the Campbell's for dinner - their last Aussie dinner before heading to US for 5 days. Great food was followed by ladies hitting the cocktails - needless to say we all sampled and Joe continues to find cocktails more appealing than beer! Of course we could not help but tell the Campbell's about the checkout comments from Daintree.
All too soon the evening was over - great to catch up with the Campbell's Down Under and some great experiences to reminisce over the long UK winter months!
An uneventful checkout but not without the owner moaning how dirty the Campbell's had left the apartment - some amusement to be had later that day!
A drive to the ferry - waiting for it to come over we were advised that a 5 year old boy had been taken by a croc 6 months ago trying to get his dog out of the water! The constant threat is something the people get used to.
North of Daintree River all of the homes are solar powered and use generators for electricity - very difficult living but community spirit is strong.
Driving off the ferry Mark managed to run over a green tree snake that was crossing the road - went back to check and it was not dead but did not seem to be moving freely! Not going to investigate that one!
Next stop Mosman Gorge - a lovely rain forest with some great water holes - turtles inhabit some of these but we did not see any. The level of rainfall the Atherton Tablelands get in a year is incredible - frequently you can be sat in sunshine and look to the west and see low cloud enveloping the hills.
After a brief wait (Mandy did not get on the same bus as the men) it was off to Port Douglas. Accommodation was fantastic - boys effectively have their own apartment. Both apartments are swim in swim out. Effectively have a 50m pool as it goes passed the other apartments.
In the evening we joined the Campbell's for dinner - their last Aussie dinner before heading to US for 5 days. Great food was followed by ladies hitting the cocktails - needless to say we all sampled and Joe continues to find cocktails more appealing than beer! Of course we could not help but tell the Campbell's about the checkout comments from Daintree.
All too soon the evening was over - great to catch up with the Campbell's Down Under and some great experiences to reminisce over the long UK winter months!
Hutchings alone in Daintree
After a slightly earlier than expected morning on the Saturday (we heard the Campbell's leaving - suitcase wheels, departure video and elated shouts of Great Barrier Reef) the owner asked J & G if they had seen the snake near the pond! A new leaf?
Today was Cape Tribulation day - sunny at last. We even took a sneaky look at the Bloomfield Track (hire cars not allowed on the track).
Cape Trib is fantastic.
We decided to do some exotic fruit tasting in the afternoon - wow. Black Sapote (Choc Pudding Fruit) was big anticlimax as a fruit - no real taste but definitely a pudding texture. Jakfruit (looks but does not smell similar to Durian) was a favourite.
Then it was off for some locally produced ice cream - Joe had Coffee Cream, George Choc Hazlenut, Mandy Chilli Chocolate and Mark Banana passionfruit and ginger - all incredibly good and all made with local ingredients (north of cairns) - some from the exotic fruit farm.
Despite the beauty of the rain forest we all agreed we were rainforested out. Fortunately we were leaving in the morning.
Today was Cape Tribulation day - sunny at last. We even took a sneaky look at the Bloomfield Track (hire cars not allowed on the track).
Cape Trib is fantastic.
We decided to do some exotic fruit tasting in the afternoon - wow. Black Sapote (Choc Pudding Fruit) was big anticlimax as a fruit - no real taste but definitely a pudding texture. Jakfruit (looks but does not smell similar to Durian) was a favourite.
Then it was off for some locally produced ice cream - Joe had Coffee Cream, George Choc Hazlenut, Mandy Chilli Chocolate and Mark Banana passionfruit and ginger - all incredibly good and all made with local ingredients (north of cairns) - some from the exotic fruit farm.
Despite the beauty of the rain forest we all agreed we were rainforested out. Fortunately we were leaving in the morning.
Daintree
Clearly the owner had heard some of our comments - slightly perturbed by our continued presence in the accommodation beyond 10am! Having booked a Daintree River sunset cruise for that evening the Hutchings clan set off to explore Cow Bay - quite a large cluster of strange looking homes/ buildings. At the beach we were advised that a 3m croc had just been seen at the water's edge - sea water! Needless to say Mark and the boys were off to try and spot the croc. 30 mins later - back without success. No bait (boys) had been offered so no interest from croc to appear. After watching an insect kill a larger insect and try to move it over the beach it was time for lunch.
Strangely people do not seem concerned about kayaking within metres of where a croc has been spotted!
Then of to Daintree for cruise with Dave "Saucy" Worcester - 2 hours of cruising the Daintree - saw a green tree snake at very close quarters, crocodiles, birds a-plenty, frogs and went into some obscure creeks - every one revealing interesting flora or fauna. At the end of the cruise we saw the flight of the cattle egrets - thousands going to roost - all following the same flight path. An incredible trip.
Back to Cow Bay - Campbell's were leaving early next day so were checking out in the evening - the owner was at his best - saying his wife had made an error in the cruise booking and we therefore had to pay an additional $70 (in addition to the additional ferry fares) - red rag and bull came to mind but eventually agreement reached that we would not be paying any more - the events will last in the memory for years! Fortunately there was a fairly decent hotel pub over road - Mandy very at home talking to locals. Owners had only moved up in December so regaled us with the reasons and motivations for moving North. Great Barramundi had by Mandy and Jacqui all washed down with some Daintree tea.
Time to say goodbye to Campbell's for a day as we stayed and they left! Who were the lucky ones?
Strangely people do not seem concerned about kayaking within metres of where a croc has been spotted!
Then of to Daintree for cruise with Dave "Saucy" Worcester - 2 hours of cruising the Daintree - saw a green tree snake at very close quarters, crocodiles, birds a-plenty, frogs and went into some obscure creeks - every one revealing interesting flora or fauna. At the end of the cruise we saw the flight of the cattle egrets - thousands going to roost - all following the same flight path. An incredible trip.
Back to Cow Bay - Campbell's were leaving early next day so were checking out in the evening - the owner was at his best - saying his wife had made an error in the cruise booking and we therefore had to pay an additional $70 (in addition to the additional ferry fares) - red rag and bull came to mind but eventually agreement reached that we would not be paying any more - the events will last in the memory for years! Fortunately there was a fairly decent hotel pub over road - Mandy very at home talking to locals. Owners had only moved up in December so regaled us with the reasons and motivations for moving North. Great Barramundi had by Mandy and Jacqui all washed down with some Daintree tea.
Time to say goodbye to Campbell's for a day as we stayed and they left! Who were the lucky ones?
Cairns to Daintree
After a hearty breakfast at the Colonial Club, the morning started with a trip for provisions. Top of the list was new footwear for Mark - after a brief reccy of the shopping mall some flip flops were acquired and the shop assistant bravely volunteered to dispose of the old ones - obviously had a cold!
The drive from Cairns to Daintree was one of the slowest we have had - limited passing places on a windy road and some slow trucks - mostly to do with sugar harvest.
We were not looking forward to arriving at the next accommodation - Mandy had a phone argument with the guy when confirming the booking! On the bright side we were meeting the Campbells (John, Jacqui Euan and Elllie) in the same accommodation.
Arrival went without note (guy was out when we checked in). Campbells were already in place (stayed previous night). Seemed very relieved to see us - Rainforest sickness was setting in (dark, damp conditions made worse by continual cloud and rain!) Kids all got on really well and were excited to see each other on the other side of the world - surreal.
A few drinks later and it was time to BBQ - John Mark and Joe did a great job cooking for 25 people (even though there were only 8 of us) - sirloin steak, kangaroo steak, satay and various sausage options.
The jokes around the wotif v the full price customers continued at every opportunity.
The drive from Cairns to Daintree was one of the slowest we have had - limited passing places on a windy road and some slow trucks - mostly to do with sugar harvest.
We were not looking forward to arriving at the next accommodation - Mandy had a phone argument with the guy when confirming the booking! On the bright side we were meeting the Campbells (John, Jacqui Euan and Elllie) in the same accommodation.
Arrival went without note (guy was out when we checked in). Campbells were already in place (stayed previous night). Seemed very relieved to see us - Rainforest sickness was setting in (dark, damp conditions made worse by continual cloud and rain!) Kids all got on really well and were excited to see each other on the other side of the world - surreal.
A few drinks later and it was time to BBQ - John Mark and Joe did a great job cooking for 25 people (even though there were only 8 of us) - sirloin steak, kangaroo steak, satay and various sausage options.
The jokes around the wotif v the full price customers continued at every opportunity.
Mission Beach to Cairns
Leaving Mission Beach was a wrench - idyllic surrounds.
First stop was Murdering Point Winery - great wines (lychee, passion fruit, Davidson plum) and good ports (Pineapple, Mulberry, Black Sapote). Invested in some port! Hope it travels well.
Scenic detour - lots of suger fields and actually saw some harvesting a train moving the cane to the mills - incredible rail network exclusively for sugar cane!
Stopped at Innisfail for quick reccy on things to do before Cairns.
Bought some pineapple, tomatoes, avocado etc from roadside stall - all grown locally. Then rain started to fall but never mind - we were on our way to Josephine falls - falls supplied from Mt Bartle where approx 12m rain falls per year - true rain forest! Mark's beloved reef sandals finally gave up the ghost following some rock jumping - we now call him flappy!
The next stop was the boulders - flappy was doing his best to keep up! River here just disappears beneath huge boulders.
After a brief drive we were off to Cairns - seems to have grown significantly in last 18 years ( we were advised by Paul of Hannah's birth 18 years ago!). After a couple of hotel enquiries we decided a return stay at Cairns Colonial Resort - slightly concerning as could damage previous memories! Weather remained wet most of day so Colonial Resort was not seen in best light - not the best accommodation we have stayed in but good to revisit.
Went to Cairns town in evening and after lovely Thai meal came across Cane Toad Racing - George was invited to start a race. Organiser called George the Pommie Kid. In his enthusiasm he lifted the bucket too early so toads escaped before starter was ready. George was told to help collect toads for a restart - did not like the feel of them. Then became known as the Woosie Pommie Kid! Good fun and completely unexpected to see this great Aussie pasttime!
First stop was Murdering Point Winery - great wines (lychee, passion fruit, Davidson plum) and good ports (Pineapple, Mulberry, Black Sapote). Invested in some port! Hope it travels well.
Scenic detour - lots of suger fields and actually saw some harvesting a train moving the cane to the mills - incredible rail network exclusively for sugar cane!
Stopped at Innisfail for quick reccy on things to do before Cairns.
Bought some pineapple, tomatoes, avocado etc from roadside stall - all grown locally. Then rain started to fall but never mind - we were on our way to Josephine falls - falls supplied from Mt Bartle where approx 12m rain falls per year - true rain forest! Mark's beloved reef sandals finally gave up the ghost following some rock jumping - we now call him flappy!
The next stop was the boulders - flappy was doing his best to keep up! River here just disappears beneath huge boulders.
After a brief drive we were off to Cairns - seems to have grown significantly in last 18 years ( we were advised by Paul of Hannah's birth 18 years ago!). After a couple of hotel enquiries we decided a return stay at Cairns Colonial Resort - slightly concerning as could damage previous memories! Weather remained wet most of day so Colonial Resort was not seen in best light - not the best accommodation we have stayed in but good to revisit.
Went to Cairns town in evening and after lovely Thai meal came across Cane Toad Racing - George was invited to start a race. Organiser called George the Pommie Kid. In his enthusiasm he lifted the bucket too early so toads escaped before starter was ready. George was told to help collect toads for a restart - did not like the feel of them. Then became known as the Woosie Pommie Kid! Good fun and completely unexpected to see this great Aussie pasttime!
Tuesday, 17 August 2010
Mission Beach
A sea of tranquility.
Despite its reputation Mission Beach continues to be a relatively small sea side town - a fantastic beach backed by palm trees and a small main resort which expands to the south to a larger resort.
A relaxing morning watching the sky divers and then a stroll along the beach, a swim (stingers, sharks and crocs are not in the water currently - too cold!) in warm water and then a walk to Mission Beach jetty through woodland walk.
Walking back we took the road route - bought some bananas from a farm stall - huge plantation of banana trees - even saw how they grow.
Then it was back to accommodation for a late lunch, swim in the pool and then a swim in the sea - lots of good body surfing conditions. Came out at sunset as it cools down quickly.
Now out for a sea food meal!
Despite its reputation Mission Beach continues to be a relatively small sea side town - a fantastic beach backed by palm trees and a small main resort which expands to the south to a larger resort.
A relaxing morning watching the sky divers and then a stroll along the beach, a swim (stingers, sharks and crocs are not in the water currently - too cold!) in warm water and then a walk to Mission Beach jetty through woodland walk.
Walking back we took the road route - bought some bananas from a farm stall - huge plantation of banana trees - even saw how they grow.
Then it was back to accommodation for a late lunch, swim in the pool and then a swim in the sea - lots of good body surfing conditions. Came out at sunset as it cools down quickly.
Now out for a sea food meal!
Monday, 16 August 2010
Airlie Beach to Mission Beach
Sunday night we met with the Waltzing Matilda gang - France, Faroe Islands, Scotland, Italy and England represented. Location was a backpackers pub in Airlie Beach - noisy, rocking and cheap. Food was reasonable, drink cheap and company excellent. Buying jugs of beer brought back many pleasant memories!
Monday morning it was up and away - we drove from Airlie to Mission Beach - life is a beach as they say. A long drive broken up by some great stops - lunch was at Home Hill - a fantastic little bakers selling traditional Aussie meat pies! Early afternoon on Baygal Beach and then late afternoon ice cream at the Frosty Mango.
This part of Queensland seems to be central to growing fruit and veg - we even saw the giant mango to go with our other giant fruits!
Mission Beach looks lovely - we are 50m from the beach so tomorrow will be a no car day! 450+km today and fortunately no delays.
Monday morning it was up and away - we drove from Airlie to Mission Beach - life is a beach as they say. A long drive broken up by some great stops - lunch was at Home Hill - a fantastic little bakers selling traditional Aussie meat pies! Early afternoon on Baygal Beach and then late afternoon ice cream at the Frosty Mango.
This part of Queensland seems to be central to growing fruit and veg - we even saw the giant mango to go with our other giant fruits!
Mission Beach looks lovely - we are 50m from the beach so tomorrow will be a no car day! 450+km today and fortunately no delays.
Whitsundays
Incredible - 2 days sailing in the Whitsundays. The boat was Waltzing Matilda - a 65 foot Bruce Roberts design - really spacious and we had the suite at the aft 14 customers and 2 crew on board - looked like brothers. Unfortunately hardly any wind but we did have clear blue skies. In the morning we saw hump back whales (a mum and her calf), in the afternoon we were at Whitehaven Beach seeing turtles, in the sunset we had dolphins swimming with the boat. Then we had sunset - a fantastic sight as at the same time as the sun was setting we had a new moon and Jupiter was visible just below the moon. Never before have we seen such a clear night sky - there were shooting stars, the milky way and just after 9.30 Venus came into view. Despite it being winter the evening never chilled.
When we were swimming we had to wear attractive and sting suits - tele-tubbies eat your heart out.
The wildlife was far too quick for us to get photos but the memories will last for ever.
The following morning we were up early - after a full breakfast we were into our first snorkle site of the day never been sea swimming at 8.30am before - there is a hump backed wrasse which is 1.2m long called Priscilla (Elvis who was 1.6m died last year after too much human contact. The rest of the fish seemed so small but nevertheless they were colourful, as was the reef. There was some hunter fish rounding up the smaller fish - all the small fish jumped out of the water en masse at the moment of attack.
Joe and George got cold so went back to the boat early. Mark managed to get a smalll jelly fish sting on his foot - the only part of the body that is exposed with the sexy suits!
The second snorkle site was Langford Reef - an island reef famed for turtle feeding - not so lucky this time in spotting turtles but some fantastic reef to see - particularly a bright purple reef with fish to match. Amazing that swimming in 50ft+ of water does not bother you but we worry about being out of depth in pools!
After a quick lunch we were on our way home - but not before a quick swim of the boat in the middle of the sea (where we had seen whales the day before). The wind then came in so Mark was able to leave the boat in the tender to take some photos of the Waltzing Matilda under full sail.
Friday, 13 August 2010
Airlee Beach and Whitsundays
Luckily the long drive had given the opportunity to plan ahead.
On Saturday we are sailing to 2 days around the Whitsundays on Waltzing Matilda (we hope it is not a kangaroo).
Leaving from Airlie Beach at 8am meant we had to be there Friday night. For the first time the accommodation (prebooked via agent) has been disappointing - real scanky. Luckily only here for one night and a short one at that.
Airlie has it sailing festival this week - Friday night is firework night - just like being at Cowes! Except it is tropical setting.
Interestingly Oz is in general election fever at moment - boat people (immigrants) seem to be one of main issues. Now we are going to be boat people for a few hours at least.
More from Oz on Sunday (& pictures)
On Saturday we are sailing to 2 days around the Whitsundays on Waltzing Matilda (we hope it is not a kangaroo).
Leaving from Airlie Beach at 8am meant we had to be there Friday night. For the first time the accommodation (prebooked via agent) has been disappointing - real scanky. Luckily only here for one night and a short one at that.
Airlie has it sailing festival this week - Friday night is firework night - just like being at Cowes! Except it is tropical setting.
Interestingly Oz is in general election fever at moment - boat people (immigrants) seem to be one of main issues. Now we are going to be boat people for a few hours at least.
More from Oz on Sunday (& pictures)
Up to Eungella National Park
Up early we were on the first cave tour at 9am.
The caves were different to normal as they were dry and above ground - interesting and some more travellers to talk to. One aussie family were doing a 6 month tour with their children right round the coast.
After the caves time to start the first of the long drives - 350km to Mackay and then 85 to Eungella National Park. Not a great start - 25km after starting hit a queue of traffic - stopped for an hour while emergency services dealt with a head one collision between 4WD and car & caravan.
Once we were clear of traffic progress was good.
Stopped for lunch at Sarina Beach - 40km south of Mackay.
Deserted beach with trees to beach. Lots of ships lined up to take the coal from Oz to China (port near Mackay).
Startled to see dolphins swimming, diving and jumping very close to beach - fantastic to see them - possibly 10-20 - chasing fish. Some flying fish made interesting sight - flying as much as 100m across surface by flipping their tails on the waves.
From Sarina we continued to Eungella NP - along drive and once again we arrived after dark (having earlier booked accommodation).
Accommodation slightly more than normal but had a log burner - strange but we actually needed it! After a lovely meal where we had seen a possum eating outside the restaurant, it was out for some late night wild life watching.
ENP is famed for sightings of the unique duck billed platypus. We caught occasional glimpses of things in the muddy river but could not make out for sure.
Never mind - we were up at 6am to revisit the river. We were not disappointed - we saw the platypus, turtles and a kingfisher. Great to see but not particularly photograph.
After breakfast the owner took us to the start of an 8km walk. Advised Bruce Highway was again closed due to RTA - vehicle had left road and burst into flames - for a single carriageway road there are certainly lots of accidents - mostly due to tiredness.
The walk was through rain forest along the Broken River. Not much wildlife but lots of trees, occasional lizards and lots of roots to trip you up. Unfortunately Mandy tripped up a route and went flat on her face - bruised leg and elbow - of course boys were all sympathetic and reminder her it was more like grandad than Margot. After a brief recovery stop it was on with the walk. Mark stumbled across a snake on the path - snake moved quickly away - a reminder that you are never sure when danger may lurk!
A tornado apparently hit the area in March and uprooted lots of trees - on the way out of the park we noticed a tree had actually crushed a house (wooden one).
The caves were different to normal as they were dry and above ground - interesting and some more travellers to talk to. One aussie family were doing a 6 month tour with their children right round the coast.
After the caves time to start the first of the long drives - 350km to Mackay and then 85 to Eungella National Park. Not a great start - 25km after starting hit a queue of traffic - stopped for an hour while emergency services dealt with a head one collision between 4WD and car & caravan.
Once we were clear of traffic progress was good.
Stopped for lunch at Sarina Beach - 40km south of Mackay.
Deserted beach with trees to beach. Lots of ships lined up to take the coal from Oz to China (port near Mackay).
Startled to see dolphins swimming, diving and jumping very close to beach - fantastic to see them - possibly 10-20 - chasing fish. Some flying fish made interesting sight - flying as much as 100m across surface by flipping their tails on the waves.
From Sarina we continued to Eungella NP - along drive and once again we arrived after dark (having earlier booked accommodation).
Accommodation slightly more than normal but had a log burner - strange but we actually needed it! After a lovely meal where we had seen a possum eating outside the restaurant, it was out for some late night wild life watching.
ENP is famed for sightings of the unique duck billed platypus. We caught occasional glimpses of things in the muddy river but could not make out for sure.
Never mind - we were up at 6am to revisit the river. We were not disappointed - we saw the platypus, turtles and a kingfisher. Great to see but not particularly photograph.
After breakfast the owner took us to the start of an 8km walk. Advised Bruce Highway was again closed due to RTA - vehicle had left road and burst into flames - for a single carriageway road there are certainly lots of accidents - mostly due to tiredness.
The walk was through rain forest along the Broken River. Not much wildlife but lots of trees, occasional lizards and lots of roots to trip you up. Unfortunately Mandy tripped up a route and went flat on her face - bruised leg and elbow - of course boys were all sympathetic and reminder her it was more like grandad than Margot. After a brief recovery stop it was on with the walk. Mark stumbled across a snake on the path - snake moved quickly away - a reminder that you are never sure when danger may lurk!
A tornado apparently hit the area in March and uprooted lots of trees - on the way out of the park we noticed a tree had actually crushed a house (wooden one).
Last day of farmstay
Apologies for the appalling lack of updates - we have been back of woop woop for last 3 days.
The last day of farmstay was fantastic fun. It rained from 6pm to 9am - finishing just in time for horseriding. 100mm of rain - farmers were delighted.
Mandy did a great Margot impression - keeping clean shoes in mud and horse s--t is not order of day.
The ride started with a trail ride to find the goats - then we had to round them up. We found a couple of dead goats - dingo attacks. 4 people had problems with horses falling/ stumbling in the mud - Mandy being one of them. Fortunately no injuries - managed to jump clear before it started rolling in the mud - didn't do much for the Margot look though.
With all the goats rounded up we went for another trail ride - great fun riding through the outback.
After another steak lunch it was time to leave - something alot of the guests seem to struggle with.
The next stage of the trip took us to Rockhampton via Mount Morgan (an old gold mining town). Rockhampton does not have alot of attributes apart from lots of large cows/ bulls statues at every opportunity.
We stayed that night at Capricorn Caves - not bad accommodation near some limestone caves.
The local pub was the nearest thing we have seen to a traditional UK pub but still along way from it. The food was excellent and the locals entertaining.
The last day of farmstay was fantastic fun. It rained from 6pm to 9am - finishing just in time for horseriding. 100mm of rain - farmers were delighted.
Mandy did a great Margot impression - keeping clean shoes in mud and horse s--t is not order of day.
The ride started with a trail ride to find the goats - then we had to round them up. We found a couple of dead goats - dingo attacks. 4 people had problems with horses falling/ stumbling in the mud - Mandy being one of them. Fortunately no injuries - managed to jump clear before it started rolling in the mud - didn't do much for the Margot look though.
With all the goats rounded up we went for another trail ride - great fun riding through the outback.
After another steak lunch it was time to leave - something alot of the guests seem to struggle with.
The next stage of the trip took us to Rockhampton via Mount Morgan (an old gold mining town). Rockhampton does not have alot of attributes apart from lots of large cows/ bulls statues at every opportunity.
We stayed that night at Capricorn Caves - not bad accommodation near some limestone caves.
The local pub was the nearest thing we have seen to a traditional UK pub but still along way from it. The food was excellent and the locals entertaining.
Tuesday, 10 August 2010
Mundubbera to Kroombit Park etc
Well the Mundubbera baker was clearly feeling the effects of the previous evening's alcohol - worked from 10pm Sunday to 7am Monday then went home to bed - resisted the urge to buy bread but could not resist the cakes!
Drive from Mundubbera to Biloela took longer than expected - primarily because i) we saw a house fire in an outback house - timber just disappeared in a flash but fire engine, police and 3 ambulances came rushing past - we missed the gas bottles exploding but sobering to think someone's house had burned to the ground in less than 10 minutes. Did not hear details of casualties so hopefully all ok; ii) stopped at the Duck Inn (Monto) for quick refreshments - 30 minutes later we had the full sp on country life in Oz.
At Kroombit it has been great fun. Primarily aimed at backpackers and school trips (but with a licenced bar) we have tried lassooing, clay shooting (Joe was top with 3 out of 5, Mum and George bottom with 0!) Then on the catching, tipping and branding a goat in teams of 3 - MJ&G were one team and G caught (and dragged) goat to J who tipped - M branded but conceded 5 seconds by grabbing the virtual hot end of the iron!
Dad helped another team.
Next was ring of fire - cattle prod and circle of people linked to it when it was zapped - a real jolt through the arm but nothing more.
In the evening after dinner it was whip cracking (Mandy was very good at this - worringly) and bucking bull - Mum and Dad were best at this.
Today has been horseriding with a twist - we had to muster goats from one paddock to another -3 paddocks away. Good fun and we only lost 2! They are having a rambling day in their own paddock. Dingos are a major issue for farmers - will attack goats and kids - one kid today had puncture marks from an attack last night.
This afternoon M&M went quad biking arounf the station - 10,000 acres but only 1/3 covered. Fantastic views despite the incoming storm. Saw some wedge tail eagles, kangaroos and donkeys (other than horses, goats and cattle). A first for M but she soon got the hang of it.
Tomorrow - another horse ride, lunch and then off to Yeppoon.
Drive from Mundubbera to Biloela took longer than expected - primarily because i) we saw a house fire in an outback house - timber just disappeared in a flash but fire engine, police and 3 ambulances came rushing past - we missed the gas bottles exploding but sobering to think someone's house had burned to the ground in less than 10 minutes. Did not hear details of casualties so hopefully all ok; ii) stopped at the Duck Inn (Monto) for quick refreshments - 30 minutes later we had the full sp on country life in Oz.
At Kroombit it has been great fun. Primarily aimed at backpackers and school trips (but with a licenced bar) we have tried lassooing, clay shooting (Joe was top with 3 out of 5, Mum and George bottom with 0!) Then on the catching, tipping and branding a goat in teams of 3 - MJ&G were one team and G caught (and dragged) goat to J who tipped - M branded but conceded 5 seconds by grabbing the virtual hot end of the iron!
Dad helped another team.
Next was ring of fire - cattle prod and circle of people linked to it when it was zapped - a real jolt through the arm but nothing more.
In the evening after dinner it was whip cracking (Mandy was very good at this - worringly) and bucking bull - Mum and Dad were best at this.
Today has been horseriding with a twist - we had to muster goats from one paddock to another -3 paddocks away. Good fun and we only lost 2! They are having a rambling day in their own paddock. Dingos are a major issue for farmers - will attack goats and kids - one kid today had puncture marks from an attack last night.
This afternoon M&M went quad biking arounf the station - 10,000 acres but only 1/3 covered. Fantastic views despite the incoming storm. Saw some wedge tail eagles, kangaroos and donkeys (other than horses, goats and cattle). A first for M but she soon got the hang of it.
Tomorrow - another horse ride, lunch and then off to Yeppoon.
Sunday, 8 August 2010
Noosa to Mundubbera
After a well deserved lay in, we were chased out of the apartment by the cleaning lady. We went to a great cove and then went onto Main Beach as there was more to do. Mum and Dad hired us ski kayaks - they were great fun once you got the balance - Joe and I kept falling off when we tried to stand up paddle surfing. When we left the beach we went to a New Zealand ice cream place - Mum and Dad had mango passion, Joe had chocolate and cookie and I had bubble gum and cookie - lovely.
We then set out on the boring 3 hour drive - I spent all of the time on my DS and we went to the old basher motel -Billabong Motor Inn. We arrived in the dark and had to hurry into town for food. The pub did not serve food but a place up the road had cooked chicken and chips or fish and chips in middle of supermarket.
Then it was back to pub - Mum and Dad were talking to the locals and one of them gave us some pizza.
PS from Mum and Dad - the drive up was typcial Aussie outback farming - lush forests, pasture and then we had an incredible sunset - from yellow to orange to red to various shades of blue and purple - the full colour spectrum.
The pub was good fun - locals all half cut but more than happy to chat.
We then set out on the boring 3 hour drive - I spent all of the time on my DS and we went to the old basher motel -Billabong Motor Inn. We arrived in the dark and had to hurry into town for food. The pub did not serve food but a place up the road had cooked chicken and chips or fish and chips in middle of supermarket.
Then it was back to pub - Mum and Dad were talking to the locals and one of them gave us some pizza.
PS from Mum and Dad - the drive up was typcial Aussie outback farming - lush forests, pasture and then we had an incredible sunset - from yellow to orange to red to various shades of blue and purple - the full colour spectrum.
The pub was good fun - locals all half cut but more than happy to chat.
Saturday, 7 August 2010
Rainbow and Fraser Island
Wow! What a day!
An early start -5.15am alarm call for 6.30am pickup but worth it.
A quick drive from Noosa to a ferry over to Noosa north shore (via a Richard Branson owned island). After a brief tarmac drive it was out onto forty mile beach - and it seemed like 40 miles. Exhilarating travelling along a beach at 80km/hr. As we headed to Double Island Pt we cut inland and then back onto the beach at Wide Bay - as named by Capt Cook. Early morning coffee (8am) at cliffs with coloured sand and then onto Inskip Point to catch a ferry - quite busy and alot of trucks getting stuck in the sand and going sideways through the tracks! Just have to aim for the boat ramp and hope!
Going across to Fraser there were sightings of Dolphins.
Onto Fraser and then 40km more to Eurong resort - we passed a 3 dingoes (1 eating a manta ray), eagles and saw hump back whales swimming along the coast - occasional water fountains. Inland at Eurong we aimed for Lake Mackenzie - a high perched freshwater lake. The swim was fantastic and followed by a great lunch of steak, salads, fruit and beer.
A brief rain forest walk and it was time to leave to beat the tide - the island roads are all sand and are not as good for driving on as the beach!
On the drive back from Rainbow Beach - lots of dairy farming and traditional QLD style housing and a few kangaroos.
An early start -5.15am alarm call for 6.30am pickup but worth it.
A quick drive from Noosa to a ferry over to Noosa north shore (via a Richard Branson owned island). After a brief tarmac drive it was out onto forty mile beach - and it seemed like 40 miles. Exhilarating travelling along a beach at 80km/hr. As we headed to Double Island Pt we cut inland and then back onto the beach at Wide Bay - as named by Capt Cook. Early morning coffee (8am) at cliffs with coloured sand and then onto Inskip Point to catch a ferry - quite busy and alot of trucks getting stuck in the sand and going sideways through the tracks! Just have to aim for the boat ramp and hope!
Going across to Fraser there were sightings of Dolphins.
Onto Fraser and then 40km more to Eurong resort - we passed a 3 dingoes (1 eating a manta ray), eagles and saw hump back whales swimming along the coast - occasional water fountains. Inland at Eurong we aimed for Lake Mackenzie - a high perched freshwater lake. The swim was fantastic and followed by a great lunch of steak, salads, fruit and beer.
A brief rain forest walk and it was time to leave to beat the tide - the island roads are all sand and are not as good for driving on as the beach!
On the drive back from Rainbow Beach - lots of dairy farming and traditional QLD style housing and a few kangaroos.
Friday, 6 August 2010
Australia Zoo
If you go down to the zoo today you're in for a big surprise - yes they take animals for a walk around the zoo - we bumped into wombats and dingoes on leashes and koalas and kangeroos on pat duty!
Australia Zoo is Steve Irwin's legacy - he and his family are everywhere in terms of impact and philosophy. The zoo is a tribute to all - fantastic day out and everyone enjoyed being able to get up close to animals and birds alike. Unusually for a zoo most of the animals were active and fun to watch.
The main show was really entertaining - showing how the environmental impact and how to overcome the endangered species - man's greed for resources decimating natural habitats and forcing animals into unchartered territory and unknown confrontation (koalas don't get on with cats and dogs, snakes love rats).
Crocodiles are fantastic to watch - nothing much and suddenly they launch and anything within 5 feet of the waters edge is a gonna.
For some reason 2 keepers actually say in the tigers cage - all was good until tiger "attacked one of keepers - other keeper had to rush over and push tiger away - sure it was a play fight but good entertainment!
Needless to say we were the last to leave the zoo - all went remarkably quiet at 4pm so pretty much on our own for last hour - our own private zoo. Good job really because we missed the turn off going so had an extra 35km (2o miles) before next junction - needless to say Mandy was texting at the time!
Off to Fraser Island tomorrow - despite best intentions it has worked out better to go on a tour - Mark will have a day off driving. Hopefully none of us will be digging the truck out!
Australia Zoo is Steve Irwin's legacy - he and his family are everywhere in terms of impact and philosophy. The zoo is a tribute to all - fantastic day out and everyone enjoyed being able to get up close to animals and birds alike. Unusually for a zoo most of the animals were active and fun to watch.
The main show was really entertaining - showing how the environmental impact and how to overcome the endangered species - man's greed for resources decimating natural habitats and forcing animals into unchartered territory and unknown confrontation (koalas don't get on with cats and dogs, snakes love rats).
Crocodiles are fantastic to watch - nothing much and suddenly they launch and anything within 5 feet of the waters edge is a gonna.
For some reason 2 keepers actually say in the tigers cage - all was good until tiger "attacked one of keepers - other keeper had to rush over and push tiger away - sure it was a play fight but good entertainment!
Needless to say we were the last to leave the zoo - all went remarkably quiet at 4pm so pretty much on our own for last hour - our own private zoo. Good job really because we missed the turn off going so had an extra 35km (2o miles) before next junction - needless to say Mandy was texting at the time!
Off to Fraser Island tomorrow - despite best intentions it has worked out better to go on a tour - Mark will have a day off driving. Hopefully none of us will be digging the truck out!
Thursday, 5 August 2010
Glass House Mountains to Noosa
Well we are now officially in Oz - we have an eski.
Today we came from Brisbane to Glass House Mountains - great names - Beerwah, Ngungun, Beerburrum, Tibrogargan - we were going to climb Beerwah but closed due to a rock fall - but only after we reached a really dodgy organic toilet! Eco is not all it is cracked up to be.
We then chose Tgungun as most achievable - allow 2 hours for this walk - we were up the top in 30 mins with goats George and Joe leading the way. Mandy struggled to keep up but then - there were no coffee shops on the way.
Up the mountain we met a local guy who gave some tips which caused us to re-evaluate the plans. Noosa is at least 2 hours from Hervey Bay - the land side for getting to Fraser Island. Having made some quick calls en route we decided to stay in Noosa for 3 nights and do a day trip from there to Fraser by tour.
Finding accommodation in Noosa was a nightmare - everywhere shuts at 5pm - looking for acc at 6 onwards is very tricky. Eventually disturbed "resort manager" from an unnecessary dinner and found ok acc in Noosaville - overlooking river rather than sea at fraction of sea price.
Tomorrow we are off to see Australia Zoo - Steve Irwin Way. Saturday looks like a long day to Fraser.
Wednesday, 4 August 2010
Theme Parks - um!
Well we are now theme parked out. Dreamworld on Tuesday and Movieworld today.
Dream World was typically brash but some good rides - tower of terror only attracted Mark and George - Mandy and Joe preferring a more sedate motorcycle roller coaster. Tower of Terror very similar to Stealth at Thorpe. Joe & George did Wipeout - a horrible ride to watch let alone be on.
We spent the night in Surfers Paradise, without actually going to the beach! We arrived at dusk and took some photos then spent an hour and a half battling traffic and closed reception areas before coming across a fantastic apartment. On the 27th floor with views facing both the mountains and the coast. It looks a great place to be - lots of opportunities for water sports.
After a good night's sleep it was off to part 2 -Movie World. A much better park with more than just rides. Needless to say the first part of the day was just rides - Superman is a great ride - no upside down stuff but lots of g force! Batman was an inverted Detonator - how fast can you reach 9 storey's and then just bungy back down. The favourite ride seems to be Scooby Doo - not even expecting a roller coaster we experienced a roller coaster on a lift, a backward trip and a whole experience in the dark!
Weather has been fantastic - clear skies and mid 20's - perfect weather.
Gets dark very quickly and early - dark by 5.30pm. Tonight we went for pizza with Paul, Sandra and family followed by ice cream you can only dream of in a parlour owned by former Aussie Pole Vault Silver Medallist from 2000. Despite the ice cream we are assured she is still very fit.
Tomorrow we head north to Noosa via Glass Mountains
Dream World was typically brash but some good rides - tower of terror only attracted Mark and George - Mandy and Joe preferring a more sedate motorcycle roller coaster. Tower of Terror very similar to Stealth at Thorpe. Joe & George did Wipeout - a horrible ride to watch let alone be on.
We spent the night in Surfers Paradise, without actually going to the beach! We arrived at dusk and took some photos then spent an hour and a half battling traffic and closed reception areas before coming across a fantastic apartment. On the 27th floor with views facing both the mountains and the coast. It looks a great place to be - lots of opportunities for water sports.
After a good night's sleep it was off to part 2 -Movie World. A much better park with more than just rides. Needless to say the first part of the day was just rides - Superman is a great ride - no upside down stuff but lots of g force! Batman was an inverted Detonator - how fast can you reach 9 storey's and then just bungy back down. The favourite ride seems to be Scooby Doo - not even expecting a roller coaster we experienced a roller coaster on a lift, a backward trip and a whole experience in the dark!
Weather has been fantastic - clear skies and mid 20's - perfect weather.
Gets dark very quickly and early - dark by 5.30pm. Tonight we went for pizza with Paul, Sandra and family followed by ice cream you can only dream of in a parlour owned by former Aussie Pole Vault Silver Medallist from 2000. Despite the ice cream we are assured she is still very fit.
Tomorrow we head north to Noosa via Glass Mountains
Monday, 2 August 2010
Sydney to Brisbane
Lisa kindly gave us a lift to the airport this morning (having joined us for breakfast and flat cleaning). Slightly emotional exchange between L and M on departure.
Flying over Sydney offered incredible views of the harbour - unfortunately could not get to the camera! What a relief Mandy said.
Great views of coast up to Palm Beach and then a bit foggy until Brisbane.
Sat next to guy from Dubbo who has previously done the Canning Stock Route - 2 months of extreme 4WD from South Coast to Darwin. Something to think about for the future!
Arrived in Brissie and picked up car for next 3.5 weeks - cosy. Brissie first impressions are definitely more in line with Perth - more traditional Australia. This week is "Weak Bladder" week - a conference dedicated to those with issues. There are also instructions for those suffering from impotence to text "HARD" to a number - Australian's share everything.
After a light lunch and a quick tour of Brissie over to Paul and Sandra's (Charlie, Freddie and Caitlin). Great to catch up after 7 years - very hospitable and even offered Mandy use of washing machine to which she gratefully accepted. Lovely evening catching up and seeing kiddies excited by George and Joe. They did eventually go to sleep - I think Joe was asleep before Caitlin!
More soon.
Flying over Sydney offered incredible views of the harbour - unfortunately could not get to the camera! What a relief Mandy said.
Great views of coast up to Palm Beach and then a bit foggy until Brisbane.
Sat next to guy from Dubbo who has previously done the Canning Stock Route - 2 months of extreme 4WD from South Coast to Darwin. Something to think about for the future!
Arrived in Brissie and picked up car for next 3.5 weeks - cosy. Brissie first impressions are definitely more in line with Perth - more traditional Australia. This week is "Weak Bladder" week - a conference dedicated to those with issues. There are also instructions for those suffering from impotence to text "HARD" to a number - Australian's share everything.
After a light lunch and a quick tour of Brissie over to Paul and Sandra's (Charlie, Freddie and Caitlin). Great to catch up after 7 years - very hospitable and even offered Mandy use of washing machine to which she gratefully accepted. Lovely evening catching up and seeing kiddies excited by George and Joe. They did eventually go to sleep - I think Joe was asleep before Caitlin!
More soon.
Sunday, 1 August 2010
Final day in Sydney
What a last day in Sydney - a great day for walking the coastal path between Bronte and Bondi - blue skies, some surf and clear water. Bondi has been cleaned up considerably since we were there last - still the inappropriate use of budgie smugglers (speedos) and Mandy remains convinced I should not have any!
Everyone and his dog was on this stretch of the cliff path today and not surprising. Just like Hengisbury Head.
From Bondi we caught the bus up to Watson's Bay. The views from the road through Vaucluse were staggering - unfortunately could not get the bus to stop for photos.
Watson's Bay is home of Doyle's fish and chips - either a take away option or a restaurant. Take away f&c was followed by a brisk walk up to South Head - incredible views of the ocean, harbour and city- needless to say a few more photos were taken.
Watson Bay hotel has changed completely but still serve beer! Managed to squeeze in a quick one before catching the ferry back to the city.
We then had a trip down memory lane - caught the bus from Wynyard up to Neutral Bay where we used to live. The Orpheum Cinema is still there and expanded slightly so arcade we used to short cut through in now part of the cinema - didn't stop us using the short cut though to re trace steps.
We then went to South - a New Orleans style restaurant - to meet Gordon, Meredith, Finlay and Caitlin. All on good form and G&M have not changed. Fin was on good form - Caitlin Joe and George were all showing definite signs of fatigue.
Home to pack - Lisa has kindly offered to drive us to the airport tomorrow. Brisbane here we come!
Aussie Rules
Despite the fact that no one else in the World plays this game, it is good fun to watch. Sydney Swans v Geelong (defending champions) - Swans actually outscored in terms of point scoring opportunities but hit more one pointers than 6 and lost by a truck load.
Swans play at the Olympic Stadium - great to go and see the Olympic Park with something happening and an unforeseen highlight - we did not realise the home games were played there!
Actually spent some time chatting to the police - they were mentioning crowd trouble at the soccer games (Rangers, Blackburn, AEK Athens and Sydney) the previous week and here we are in a mixed crowd.
Stadium holds 80,000 (ish) but only 35,ooo turned up - not surprising because Wallabies were also playing All Blacks in annual Beddisloe Cup (a bit like the Calcutta Cup for southern hemisphere neighbours).
Off to Bondi and Watsons Bay for fish & chips now.
Swans play at the Olympic Stadium - great to go and see the Olympic Park with something happening and an unforeseen highlight - we did not realise the home games were played there!
Actually spent some time chatting to the police - they were mentioning crowd trouble at the soccer games (Rangers, Blackburn, AEK Athens and Sydney) the previous week and here we are in a mixed crowd.
Stadium holds 80,000 (ish) but only 35,ooo turned up - not surprising because Wallabies were also playing All Blacks in annual Beddisloe Cup (a bit like the Calcutta Cup for southern hemisphere neighbours).
Off to Bondi and Watsons Bay for fish & chips now.
Saturday, 31 July 2010
Sydney
Wow - Sydney has been fantastic.
The apartment has stunning views.
We have climbed the bridge - even Mandy came along despite initial concerns - said it was incredible - views are outstanding and we chose excellent weather to make the climb.
Have caught up with lots of old friends (well older than they were). Anne and Katherine (George got on well with Katherine - footy, am dram - even tried to take her to the pokies (slot machines) until someone told them they were not old enough), Lisa, Rob, Tim and Jack, (Jack helped me cook my steak at the Oaks), David and Sally (enjoying life as a house husband), Phil Geraldine Alex and Edward - the lads ate the lion's share of a 1m pizza but us Dad's had to help out at the end. Just met Dougie, Gill and Claudia (plus bump - twins to be) for brunch - went to Billie's in McMahon's Point - fantastic to eat outside on a warm winters day.
Tonight we are off to Footy (AFL style) at the former Olympic Stadium - now known as the ANZ) - should be cultural.
Sunday - plan to walk Bronte to Bondi, bus to Watson Bay for fish & chips overlooking the harbour before walking to South Heads. In the evening we will be seeing Gordon and Meredith.
Sunday, 25 July 2010
Singapore

Incredible to think a Colonial Style hotel, Raffles, can survive in this modern city of high rise hotels. Dwarfed by its neighbours but still an incredible tourist attraction.
Singapore is hot & humid but not unbearable. Hawker markets still great fun and food excellent (apart from the dodgy ice desserts with lots of colourings, chocolate souce, crumbs and topped with sweet corn! - Joe & George attracted by the huge portion but not the flavour!)
Now suffering the not sleeping - awake since 3.40 - tired but cannot sleep.
Now the proud owners of a new video camera - smaller than the digital camera and more powerful.
Now raining in Singapore - unusual as not the wet season. If rain abates we will go to Sentosa Monday before flying to Syndey tonight.
Photo is world's highest outdoor pool - 600' - balanced across 3 towers!
Friday, 23 July 2010
We are finally off

Well - it's been a while coming but we are finally ready to go - sister is picking us up shortly and then off to airport.
First to Singapore (hot & humid) then to Sydney (winter warmers) then to Brisbane and beyond (as little as possible).
Initial excitement from going on the new double decker. Should be great - lads have already worked out viewing programme for the first leg.More to come - if we can work the system on our travels.
Monday, 5 July 2010
Introduction
Hi, We are going downunder for the first time in 17 years - we will update this as we progress.
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